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Σάββατο 9 Νοεμβρίου 2024

HYACINTHOS 1139

5246

Re: [EMHL] A 3D triangular problem



 

Antreas P. Hatzipolakis



 

Dec 31, 2002

 

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On Sunday, April 14, 2002, at 08:26 PM, Steve Sigur wrote:


 

> I have a serious reason for wanting this answer. In barycentric
> coordinates,
> most of the triangle centers are rational functions of the sides a, b,
> c. In
> the field extension sense, we also know the points that are made from
> adding
> root2 and root3 to the formulas (these are the Vecten-like and
> Fermat-like
> points). I was wondering if there were any root5 extensions that had any
> relevance?
>

 

I am not sure what you mean exactly, but
here is a first thought:

Construct regular pentagons on the sides of ABC.
Let A',B',C' be their "apexes".

The triangles ABC, A'B'C' are perspective
with barycentric perspector:

(1/(cotA +- cot72) ::) =

(1/(cotA +- sqrt(5 + 2sqrt5)) ::)

[+,- for outwardly,inwardly constructed 5gons)

APH


 

Δευτέρα 13 Ιουνίου 2022

HYACINTHOS 24185

[APH]:

Let ABC be a triangle.

Denote:

Na, Nb, Nc = the NPC centers of IBC, ICA, IAB, resp.

Aa, Ab, Ac = the orthogonal projections of Na on IA, IB, IC, resp.

Ba, Bb, Bc = the orthogonal projections of Nb on IA, IB, IC, resp.

Ca, Cb, Cc = the orthogonal projections of Nc on IA,IB, IC, resp.

The Euler lines of AaAbAc, BaBbBc, CaCbCc are concurrent.


[Angel Montesdeoca]:

The Euler lines of AaAbAc, BaBbBc, CaCbCc are concurrent. at
X(1125)= the centroid of {A,B,C,X(1)} (Darij Grinberg, 12/28/02)


A.Montesdeoca

Τρίτη 29 Μαρτίου 2022

HYACINTHOS 6352

Floor en Lyanne van Lamoen wrote:

>
> Dear Darij and Jean-Pierre,
>
> > > [DG]:
> > > > > Prof. Clark Kimberling has updated ETC, as we have seen. But
> > there
> > > > > are still some points whose trilinears we don't know -
> > especially
> > > > I
> > > > > with my knowledge on trilinears which doesn't go further than
> > line
> > > > > equations. I am interested in the trilinears of the Schröder
> > > > point.
> > >
> > > [JPE]:
> > > > Your point is trilinear x = (b-c)^2 + a(b+c-2a)
> > > > Friendli. Jean-Pierre
> >
> > [FVL]
> > > It seems that there are more points P satisfying the
> > > condition that if A'B'C' is the pedal triangle of P, then the
> > > circumcircles of AA'P, BB'P and CC'P meet in a second point. The
> > > circumcenter seems to be one of these points. Perhaps the locus is
> > the
> > > Stammler hyperbola? I am now running out of time, later I will
> > invest
> > > more time.
>
> [JPE]:
> > This locus is the Darboux cubic. Friendly. Jean-Pierre

Now we may try to find some second intersections for given P:

We look for second points of intersection of the three circles (AA'P),
(BB'P), (CC'P) in barycentrics:

P=I gives a(2a^2-ab-ac-(b-c)^2):: see above.

P=O gives a^2(2a^2-b^2-c^2):: = X(187) = inverse of K in circumcircle.

P=L=X20 gives (-2a^2+b^2+c^2)/(-a^2+b^2+c^2):: .
Is this one in ETC?

P=X40=reflection of I through O gives a*(-2a+b+c)/(-a+b+c):: .
Is this one in ETC?

I don't think that P=H gives a well defined point (that is why I first
rejected the locus to be Darboux...).

Kind regards,
Sincerely,
Floor van Lamoen

HYACINTHOS 6321

Dear Darij and Jean-Pierre,

[DG]:

> > Prof. Clark Kimberling has updated ETC, as we have seen. But there
> > are still some points whose trilinears we don't know - especially
> I
> > with my knowledge on trilinears which doesn't go further than line
> > equations. I am interested in the trilinears of the Schröder
> point.

[JPE]:

> Your point is trilinear x = (b-c)^2 + a(b+c-2a)
> Friendli. Jean-Pierre

It seems that there are more points P satisfying the
condition that if A'B'C' is the pedal triangle of P, then the
circumcircles of AA'P, BB'P and CC'P meet in a second point. The
circumcenter seems to be one of these points. Perhaps the locus is the
Stammler hyperbola? I am now running out of time, later I will invest
more time.

Kind regards,
Sincerely,
Floor van Lamoen

Τετάρτη 30 Οκτωβρίου 2019

ADGEOM 2458

Dear friends,

I found the following:

Let ABC be triangle, A'B'C' its anticomplementary triangle, and A''B''C'' the circuncevian triangle of the infinite point of the Euler line of ABC, that is A''B''C'' are the second intersection points of the circumcircle and the parallel lines to Euler line through A,
B, C, respectively.

The conic ABCA'A'', with center the midpoint of BC is the locus of points P such the Euler lines of PBC and ABC are parallel.

The three conics ABCA'A'', ABCB'B'', and aBCC'C'' go through X1138.

Francisco Javier Garcia Capitan

ADGEOM 1511

Dear friends
 
If A', B', C' are the incenters of triangles IBC, ICA, IAB
I = Incenter of ABC
then I think that the triangles ABC, A'B'C' are perspective
at P = (1/(cotA-cot(A/4)) : . .  :  . . ) 
with search 6_9_13 number 44.3018615934
and this point is not in ETC.
Am I right?
 
Best regards
Nikos Dergiades
 

Κυριακή 20 Οκτωβρίου 2019

HYACINTHOS 21915

Antreas P. Hatzipolakis

Variations and Points

http://anthrakitis.blogspot.gr/2013/04/concurrent-radical-axes.html

APH

 
--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "Antreas" <anopolis72@...> wrote:
>
> Let ABC be a triangle, A'B'C' the orthic triangle and
> A"B"C" the Euler triangle (ie A",B",C" are the second
> intersections of NPC with AA',BB',CC', resp. = midpoints
> of AH,BH,CH, resp.)
>
> Denote:
>
> Ra = the radical axis of ((B', B'C"),(C',C'B"))
>
> Rb = the radical axis of ((C', C'A"),(A',A'C"))
>
> Rc = the radical axis of ((A', A'B"),(B',B'A"))
>
> The Ra,Rb,Rc are concurrent.
>
> Point?
>
> Antreas
>

HYACINTHOS 21911

Antreas P. Hatzipolakis

Let ABC be a triangle, A'B'C' the orthic triangle and
A"B"C" the Euler triangle (ie A",B",C" are the second
intersections of NPC with AA',BB',CC', resp. = midpoints
of AH,BH,CH, resp.)

Denote:

Ra = the radical axis of ((B', B'C"),(C',C'B"))

Rb = the radical axis of ((C', C'A"),(A',A'C"))

Rc = the radical axis of ((A', A'B"),(B',B'A"))

The Ra,Rb,Rc are concurrent.

Point?

APH

HYACINTHOS 24369

[Antreas P. Hatzipolakis]:

Let ABC be a triangle and A'B'C' the antipedal triangle of I (excentral triangle).
A*, B*, C* = X(110) of A'BC, B'CA, C'AB.
The circles with diameters AA*, BB*, CC* and the circumcircle of ABC are concurrent.
Which is the point of concurrence?

APH

***  X(2222)

Angel Montesdeoca

HYACINTHOS 21541

Dear friends:

A concurrency at X1659.
Given a triangle ABC, construct the circles with BC, CA, AB as diameters, then construct the three circles touching internally two of them and externally the third one. The lines joining the centers of these triangles and the corresponding vertices concur at X1659 (Yiu-Paasche point).

See:

http://garciacapitan.blogspot.com.es/2013/02/a-concurrency-at-x1659.html

Love for everybody,

Francisco Javier García Capitán

HYACINTHOS 21528

Dear Antreas,

The triangles ABC, A'B'C' are perspective.

Perspector: X(1177) = 1st SARAGOSSA POINT OF X(67) (M.Iliev, 5/25/07)

Best regards.
Angel Montesdeoca

 
--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, Antreas Hatzipolakis wrote:
>
> 3. Let OaObOc be the medial triangle [pedal tr. of O], (N1),(N2),(N3)
> the reflections of the NPC (N) in the perp. bisectors
> OOa,OOb,OOc, resp. and and A'B'C' the triangle bounded by the radical
> axes of ((O),(N1)), ((O),(N2)), ((O),(N3)), resp.
> The triangles ABC, A'B'C' are perspective.
>
> Perspector?
>
> APH

HYACINTHOS 21423

Dear Friends,

Seiichi Kirikami did send me another property of X(5390).
Construction:
• Let A1,B1,C1 be the vertices of the 1st Morley Triangle.
• Let La, Lb, Lc be the Euler Lines of triangles A.B1.C1, B.C1.A1, C.A1.B1.
• Then La, Lb, Lc concur in X(5390).
• The lines through A,B,C parallel to La, Lb, Lc also concur in a point.
• This point happens to be X(1136) !
When the parallel lines are drawn through the vertices of the Medial Triangle or the AntiComplementary Triangle, these lines also are concurrent, however not in ETC-points.
This parallel-construction is similar to the construction method of points X(3647) to X(3652) in ETC.

I suppose there will be more Morley related points that can be constructed this way.

Best regards,

Chris van Tienhoven


 
--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, Antreas Hatzipolakis wrote:
>
> X(5390) = EULER-MORLEY-ZHAO POINT
>
> Barycentrics (unknown)
> Let DEF be the classical Morley triangle. The Euler lines of the three
> triangles AEF, BFD, CDE
> appear to concur in a point for which barycentric coordinates remain
> to be discovered.
> Construction by Zhao Yong of Anhui, China, October 2, 2012.
>
http://faculty.evansville.edu/ck6/encyclopedia/ETCPart3.html
>
>
 

HYACINTHOS 21096

 
 
Dear Randy,

The conversion of the coordinates of some point wrt a Triangle-1 to the coordinates wrt a Triangle-2 can be done using the theory of Perspective Fields.
See Perspective Fields Part II, for example page 40 at:
http://www.chrisvantienhoven.nl/mathematics/perspective-fields.html

I calculated these results:
X(11) = X(110) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(3024) = X(930) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(115) doesn't lie on the incircle,
and is no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle

I checked some other points on the incircle:
X(1317) = X(74) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1355) = no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1356) = no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1357) = X(107) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1358) = X(112) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1359) = X(1299) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1360) = X(3563) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1361) = X(1300) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1362) = X(98) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1363) = no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1364) = X(925) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1365) = X(933) wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1366) = no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle
X(1367) = no existing ETC-point wrt Incentral Triangle


It also looks like the problem of converting a point in a Complete Quadrangle from coordinates expressed wrt the Diagonal Triangle to coordinates wrt a Component Triangle and vice versa.
See:
http://www.chrisvantienhoven.nl/quadrangle-objects/15-mathematics/quadrangle-objects/artikelen-qa/36-qa-6.html
and:
http://www.chrisvantienhoven.nl/quadrangle-objects/15-mathematics/quadrangle-objects/artikelen-qa/37-qa-7.html

It also looks like the problem of converting a point in a Complete Quadrilateral from coordinates expressed wrt the Diagonal Triangle to coordinates wrt a Component Triangle and vice versa.
See:
http://chrisvantienhoven.nl/quadrilateral-objects/17-mathematics/encyclopedia-of-quadri-figures/quadrilateral-objects/artikelen-ql/101-ql-6.html
and:
http://chrisvantienhoven.nl/quadrilateral-objects/17-mathematics/encyclopedia-of-quadri-figures/quadrilateral-objects/artikelen-ql/106-ql-7.html


If you want to know the barycentric coordinates wrt the Incentral triangle, or other points on the Incircle to be converted, just let me know.

Best regards,

Chris van Tienhoven


 
--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "rhutson2" <rhutson2@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Hyacinthists,
>
> What is the point P for which P of the incentral triangle = X(11)?
>
> What is the point Q for which Q of the incentral triangle = X(115)?
>
> What is the point R for which R of the incentral triangle = X(3024)?
>
> Since X(11), X(115) and X(3024) lie on the incentral circle, P, Q and R lie on the circumcircle of ABC.
>
> I have checked the usual suspects, X(74), X(98)-X(112), X(476), and their antipodes, but no luck.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Randy Hutson
>
 

HYACINTHOS 20181

Dear Randy,

1. The ellipse you found also can be constructed as the ellipse through the traces of X(1) and X(2).
2. The ellipse you found also can be constructed as the center of each conic through A,B,C,X(1). (5th point can be any point unequal A,B,C)
3. I found these points to lie on this ellipse:
Midpoints of the sides of the Reference Triangle,
X(11), X(214), X(244), X(1015).

Best regards,

Chris van Tienhoven

 
--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "rhutson2" <rhutson2@...> wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I would think this has been covered before, but I am unable to find anything on it:
>
> The locus of the centers of all circumhyperbolas passing through X(1) and a point on the Euler line is an ellipse with center X(1125). It passes through X(11) (center of Feuerbach Hyperbola) and X(1015) (Exsimilicenter of Moses Circle and Incircle). Are there any other Kimberling centers on this ellipse? I have checked the centers of circumhyperbolas passing through X(1) and Euler line points up to X(297), and have not found any. X(1015) is the center of hyperbola {A,B,C,X(1),X(2)}. The hyperbola {A,B,C,X(1),X(3)} also passes through X(29), and its center is not a Kimberling center.
>
> Is anything else known about this ellipse?
>
> Regards,
> B. Randy Hutson
>
 

HYACINTHOS 20179

Friends,

I would think this has been covered before, but I am unable to find anything on it:

The locus of the centers of all circumhyperbolas passing through X(1) and a point on the Euler line is an ellipse with center X(1125). It passes through X(11) (center of Feuerbach Hyperbola) and X(1015) (Exsimilicenter of Moses Circle and Incircle). Are there any other Kimberling centers on this ellipse? I have checked the centers of circumhyperbolas passing through X(1) and Euler line points up to X(297), and have not found any. X(1015) is the center of hyperbola {A,B,C,X(1),X(2)}. The hyperbola {A,B,C,X(1),X(3)} also passes through X(29), and its center is not a Kimberling center.

Is anything else known about this ellipse?

Regards,
B. Randy Hutson
 

HYACINTHOS 19668

Dear Nikos and friends,

I don't know if this set of 10 cyclic points is known:
X(11)
X(36)
X(65)
X(80)
X(108)
X(759)
X(1354)
X(1845)
X(2588)
X(2589)

Best Regards,

Chris Van Tienhoven

 
> Let us celebrate the beginning of the cycle of this year
> by ETC cyclic points exploration.
> Nikos Dergiades
 

HYACINTHOS 17122

Dunno if Darij already reported this (when we produced
radical centers by the score, the ETC was *much* shorter).
Anyway. Draw three circles around A,B,C with radii
ra,rb,rc (the excircle radii ra=F/(s-a) etc.).
Then #1490 is their radical center.

Hauke Reddmann

HYACINTHOS 10926

Dear Hyacinthians,

the following proposition can easily be proven synthetically:

The triangle formed by the radical axes of the Bevan circle and the
excircles is homothetic with ABC

The perspector turns out to be very simple

P = (a.(s.s - b.c) : b.(s.s - c.a) : c.(s.s - a.b) )

From its coordinates we see immediately that it lies on the line
through the incenter and the centroid

The triangle formed by the radical axes of the Bevan circle and the
excircles is also homothetic with ABC and the perspector is the
Spieker center

Greetings from Bruges
Eric Danneels
 

HYACINTHOS 10888

Dear Antreas and everyone,

[APH]
>I am wondering what geometrical properties [locus, envelope] has
>the "dual" of the MacBeath inconic ie the MacBeath circumconic
>[= the conic centered at N, and passing through A,B,C.]

My limited understanding of a dual comes from here
http://www.math.fau.edu/yiu/GeometryNotes020402.ps page 120.
By my reckoning, I think the dual is the circumconic,
a^2 SA y z + cyclic = 0, centered on X(6) passing through
110, 287, 648, 651, 677, 895, 1331, 1332, 1797, 1813, 1814, 1815

If it is of interest, here are a few centers, other than X(399,
1312, 1313), that I think are on the MacBeath conic,
a^4 SA^2 x^2 - 2 b^2 c^2 SB SC y z + Cyclic = 0.

rfl X(339) in X(5)
a^2 SB SC (SB SC - SA^2)^2
on lines {3,112},{4,147},{25,110},{114,132}

rfl X(339) in Euler line.
a^2 SA (b^2 - c^2)^2 (S^2 + SA^2 - 4 SB SC)^2

(b - c)^2 (b + c - a)^2 SA
on lines {3, 8}, {11, 123}, {116, 122}

(b - c)^2 SB SC
on lines {4, 145}, {25,105},{124,136}

b^2 c^2 (b^2 - c^2)^2 SB SC
on lines {4,94},{25,98},{115,135},{125,136}

a^2 (b^2 - c^2) SB SC (SB - SC)
on lines {4,147},{25,111},{127,136}

b^2 c^2 SA (SB - SC)^2
on lines {3,76},{115,127}

a^2 SA^3 (SB - SC)^2
on lines {3,74},{0,122,125},{0,127,136}

b^2 c^2 (b - c)^2 SB SC
on line {4, 150}

a^2 SA (a^2 (SB SC - SA^2) + SA (SB - SC)^2)^2
on lines {3,74},{113,131}

b^2 c^2 SB SC (S^2 - 3 SB SC)^2
on lines {3,107},{113,133}

SA (a b c (b + c) - 2 S^2 + a (b + c) (b c - 2 SA) - 2 SB SC)^2
on lines {3,100},{117,131}

note that many of these are intersections of {Focus, NP},{NP,NP}

In general, a point on the conic has 3 friends, its reflection in X
(5) and their reflection in the Euler line.

Also, I find here
http://www.genealogy.ams.org/html/id.phtml?id=24339
an entry for Alexander Murray MacBeath. The same one?


Best regards,
Peter Moses
 

HYACINTHOS 10887

Dear Milorad and Jean-Pierre

I am wondering what geometrical properties [locus, envelope] has
the "dual" of the MacBeath inconic ie the MacBeath circumconic
[= the conic centered at N, and passing through A,B,C.]

Antreas